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October 27, 2013 at 12:10 pm #7971
I just returned home from hunting two weeks in CO for Elk. I am making this post for all the people who abuse ridding an ATV on National Forest Land. We ride horses and if you hunt much you know you can ride horses any where you want in the Forest. I can not tell you how many times we came across someone on an ATV where they were not allowed to be. We even came across an ATV about 7 miles from any ATV trail. The driver stated he was looking for a glove he had lost the day before. Remember, as ATV riders you must act responsible at all times even when you think you are alone in the National Forest. Don’t ride your ATV off trail where you are not allowed to be and ruin the hunting of others. On a side note if you can carry in you beer or other cans full the weigh less carrying them out empty, so do so. Makes me sick to see all the crap people leave behind.October 27, 2013 at 7:14 pm #7979
I agree completely.October 28, 2013 at 2:28 am #7996
If I had my way I’d outlaw the damn things!!!! Like you I have found ATVs in lots of places in CO that are closed to them. Riders seem to think a gate across a road indicating closure to vehicles doesn’t apply to them. I’ve watched teams of them riding ridges actively hunting off of them. Real sporting!!!
To those that use the B.S. line that “We only use them to access the area”, I call liar. If people only used them to access an area I’d see them parked. One of the rarest things in the woods is an unaccompanied ATV during hunting season. I’m over 50 years old and I hunt on foot and I carry a pack frame when I hunt. All the game I take I bring out by ankle express. As far as I am concerned, ATVs are for the lazy hunters that won’t get themselves in good enough shape to actually hunt! I won’t hunt out of a camp that allows them.
Feel free to disagree if you are one of the fat assed people that need them!October 30, 2013 at 6:04 pm #8187
I am glad to see some people agree with me. Maybe we could get the Forest Service to ban them on all government land!October 31, 2013 at 7:53 am #8213
this is just another sign of the times we live in!few have any consideration for those around them,only thing important is,”ME”!here in idaho if a trail is posted as closed the lazy fockers will just kick the sign down and ride around it.the solution to this problem ,like most of our nations problems,is not more laws but simply enforcing those already on the books.passing a law makes no sense if noone will enforce it.November 6, 2013 at 4:40 pm #8584
Well to a point I do have to agree with you as far as riding them were they are not welcome .I use one to get me from were we camp to the several differrent places I hunt .Park it when you get there and do your hunting .No going cross country.Keep them were they belong.
The closest stand I hunt is a mile away ,the furthest one is 7 miles .I use it to get there and back and is a lot cheaper than driving my truck . And in the evenings me and the wife go for rides .
So as far as banning them completely I disagree with .Like was said enforce the laws on the books first that is not being done .Here in CA it is $175 for riding without a helmet ,but only $50 for going off road were you do not belong .Something wrong there .So don’t blame all atvers for the few who don’t care .Those types of thoughts are whats causing us to lose some of OUR RIGHTS .
Sorry about the rant but thats the way I see it .
Well here I am .December 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm #10270
I don’t own an ATV, never have but wouldn’t mind getting one once I have a place to use/store it. I don’t see the point in hauling it to use it. Anyway, I agree people should follow the rules but I think you’re being a little harsh to lump everyone into one bucket. I just hunted a new area in Central Wisconsin, the land is privately owned by a company called Plum Creek Timberlands. The land is open to public hunting because they get a tax break by enrolling the land into a program named MFL (managed forest law). The tax break is quite large, I also own land in the same county and my taxes on a vacant lot is 4 times the price for 4.5 acres as a 40 acre parcel is fully wooded. This isn’t my point I guess I’m just giving a little background. To my point. The rules for MFL land is public access for hunting, hiking, bird watching, etc. Vehicle access is by permission only. Because Plum Creek is a tree harvesting company, they have roads cut in all over the place. Hunters are not supposed to drive on these roads but I saw a whole lot of tracks and quite a few vehicles driving or parked along these roads. Surprisingly no ATV’s though. Perhaps those are the only things the game warden is able to write tickets for. ATV trails do go through the area, but are closed from November 1st through May. My point here is it has nothing to do with the ATV, but the person behind the handle bars. Just like blaming the gun for crimes.
As a side note, I have hunted CO national forest land 5 times in the past, not this year though. My dad and uncle brought there ATV’s all but the first year. They kept to the trails and roads that vehicles could also drive on. There was one year that they came in from one end of a trail where the gate was open, only to find the gate closed at the top, many miles away. There were other hunters camped there that said the DOW was giving tickets for ATVs on that trail with the gate closed. Later that trip, they ran into a forest service worker and told them what the other hunters said about the DOW giving tickets. He said, “I built this road and it is not closed. If the DOW gives you a ticket, here’s my cell number, call me right away.” So there seems to be some jurisdiction dispute at least for this one time, which was 2007. I know this got long but hopefully you get my point, not stepping on any toes here either. Did you say how you did hunting? What part of CO did you hunt? I’ve only hunted north of Dillon/Silverthorne about 45 minutes. I’ve shot 3 cows in 5 different years. Never seen a bull while hunting, maybe one of these years I’ll get lucky enough to see one.December 14, 2013 at 6:49 am #10317
“Did you say how you did hunting? What part of CO did you hunt? I’ve only hunted north of Dillon/Silverthorne about 45 minutes.”
I was born in CO and have hunted all over the state my entire life. I hunt on foot and I carry a pack frame and bone my game where it falls. I’ve over 50 years old and have taken 25 elk. If I can do it without an ATV, so can you. I stand by what I said earlier, IF I HAD MY WAY ABOUT IT, I’D OUTLAW THE DAMN THINGS!!!! When I can no longer hunt on foot, I’ll hang up the rifle. I have absolutely no desire to ride a noisy machine in the wilderness while I’m hunting. You may want to, but I don’t and I get irritated when I have to listen to your contraption instead of the birds, wind or elk bugling.
Progress isn’t always a good thing. An over-dependence on technology and machine in the outdoors is an example of this.
December 15, 2013 at 11:14 am #10359
- This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Flags.
Get off your soap box flags. That attitude and your arrogance in your replies like the last two are what ticks people off. Your probably a big man with a lot of strength. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in your shoes. That does not mean that they shouldn’t. Or can’t go hunting because they don’t have your abilities. I am one of those people. I’m 5’4″ 125 pds. With a bad back and bursitis in my shoulder. It’s a tool to help me. That doesn’t mean that I should stop doing an activity that I have been doing since I was 11 that I enjoy immensely. I’m 61 now. If you feel that way about hunting. Then why are you doing it? I’ve been hunting since you were born. There are mufflers that can be put on those ” damn things” that quiet them down to the point that they can hardly be heard. I can understand where you are coming from because there are too many people that own them that don’t respect other people. Or, they don’t show any consideration or responsibility when they ride them. If you want to really get p/oed. I can take you to an area just 45 minutes north of Tucson that was turned into a lunar landscape by people on dirt bikes and the two wheel drive avt’s. I don’t know how many times they have almost crashed into me and my friends. We have tried to cooperate with them. I mean that we tried to give them their space. I’m talking in an area of probably 2000 acres. I complained to the state BLM and the game and fish. They referred me to the feds. They got arrogant. And would start riding back and forth like at a shooting gallery in front of us so we so we couldn’t shoot. This on state land with signs that said you couldn’t trespass unless you had a valid hunting license. I have one myself. I use it like Holly does. I have to admit that I had to take it off road one time to get an elk out. Well two trips in. Cut him in half. In Arizona. You are allowed in certain areas to go off road a short distance to recover an animal. Only as long as it can be done with minimum sign that a motor vehicle was there. There isn’t very many people that can do that. I can prove to you that if ridden responsibly. You can actually leave less sign on the ground than a horse would. That includes going across a hillside. There are people who do use them in a responsible manner. You may have only run into the people who don’t. Unfortunately, those people out number the others by probably 30 to 1. So, like I said. I can understand your frustration. Don’t condemn the machine. It can’t think on it’s own. Condemn the irresponsible people that use them. I don’t know about Co. But I would imagine that being federal land. The rules would all be the same. You are allowed to ride with an RV plate on roads with numbers that go up and down on the signs. If the numbers of the road go from left to right. You can only ride on it if you have a rear view mirror, horn, insurance, and a motorcycle plate on the ATV. I have seen people in SUV’s and 4×4 P/u’s go around those barricades that the BLM put up to stop traffic from going into a certain area also. That doesn’t make it right. It actually makes it more deplorable that people can be that way.December 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm #10367
I still use mine to get from camp to the hunting area .And I will keep doing it .It saves gas and is easier to get around the area .I will not give up for my disabilities for no one .As long as I can get into the woods I will ,even if it means using my ATV .
Well here I am .December 16, 2013 at 11:43 am #10387
First of all I wasn’t asking you, I was asking Skeet how he did hunting. He started the topic. It’s also pretty clear that you didn’t even read (or comprehend) my post as I said in the first sentence that I don’t own an ATV. I also mentioned that the ATV’s in our group stayed on the same roads that the vehicles were driving on. So, unless you walk from your home, you’re somewhat guilty of the same thing. You like to throw in your age, well it doesn’t show in your post.
To the rest, I want to correct an error I made. Everyone I talked to about hunting the Plum Creek land told me you are not allowed to drive the land. The DNR’s rules about MFL lands are clear, you need land owner permission to drive on the land. So, after I posted here on the 11th, I emailed Plum Creek and found out they do sell a permit to allow road legal vehicles on their property’s roads. I’m not sure everyone who I saw in vehicles had a permit, but now I know I can get one for next year.
Lastly, there are plenty of anti-hunters out there, and more than likely a handful of members here monitoring what hunters are saying, who would like to not only outlaw the ATV’s, but the “noisy” rifles we all use for hunting. These people are very good at divide and concur techniques, so I would advise every hunter to tread lightly, respect one another even in disagreements, and follow the rules. If you don’t agree with the rules, get support to change them.December 21, 2013 at 10:34 am #10609
Hey Skeet: Didn’t you know that those cans and wrappers get two times heavier when they are empty? :D I know exactly what your talking about. I was stopped at a road construction site waiting for the pilot car to get where we were one time when I watched this guy throw a soda can from the car he was riding in. I walked over to the can. Picked it up. Looked at him. Then I walked over to him, and handed the can to him. Then I told him that the side of the highway was not a trash can. That he should hang on to the can until he got someplace that an actual trash can was at. And deposit it in that can at that time. Everybody behind me was saying” Way to go.” They guy had a sheepish look on his face when he said ok.
And Flags: I reread your first post on this subject. I don’t like liars myself. So, please don’t call me, Holly, or anyone else that derogatory name! Enough said.
I have run into them assholes that ride without any regard or respect for anyone else. One time. One them threw dirt and rocks all over the front of my p/u when we told them they could go for it. That they would get a citation for trespassing on state land because they didn’t have a hunting license when they threatened to call the cops on us. The other time. I lost it and threatened to kick the guys butt. He rode completely out of his way to tell me I had to watch where I was shooting. He was on state land. He was there illegally. And thought that if I couldn’t do by myself. My two friends would help me. Because I was tired of him and his friends getting big balls and confronting me when I had a gun in my hand. The big bully syndrome. Confront the smallest person of the bunch. They forgot apparently that I had a gun in my hands. And, they had just saw me slip a loaded clip into it. And, that if he said another word. I would commence to kicking it. Now get out my face. When he started to speak. I said uh,uh. What did I just get done saying? Now leave nicely. Those people don’t care about the environment or other people around them. When you try to get help. The government won’t listen to you . Then when they finally figure it out for themselves. I go back and tell them that I tried to tell them about it 10 years ago. They wouldn’t listen then. It’s too late to do anything about it now. It’s on the government for not listening when something could have been done to stop the destruction. They are now issuing a yearly tag that you have to have in Az. that costs $25.00 that supposed to pay for all that damage. And, yes. I do have it on my ATV. Who do you think are the only people that will get it? Who do you think will not get it? Now call me a liar again ass bite. I’m sorry guys. I tried not to go there. But,, the longer I stewed on it. I had to say something to his being so perfect. Lets see. Is your rank and service stripes in gold? They are probably red. Aren’t they. No one is perfect. There are only three perfect people. And, I think everyone knows where they are.December 22, 2013 at 4:07 am #10630
Is your rank and service stripes in gold? They are probably red.
Nope. Navy Chief. Quatermaster. 6 Hash Marks. All Gold. 25 years total service. 24 active and 1 year 4 months reserves. Thanks for asking!
AND I”D STILL OUTLAW THE DAMN THINGS. Don’t tell me to get off my soapbox Tex. You ain’t the moderator and you ain’t the boss of this forum. From my experience, I’m comfortable stating: For every person that uses an ATV responsibly there are about 8-10 that are slobs. I’ve sat on an outcropping and watch the fools chase deer, elk and antelope on them. I’ve seen ATV tracks in wilderness areas. I’ve seen people on ATVs riding in fragile tundra meadows above timberline and I’ve found many of them in places that are clearly labeled “Closed to Motor Vehicles”.
One thing I rarely see is an ATV parked. Virtually everyone has a “hunter” strapped to it with a rifle or bow looking for game.December 24, 2013 at 5:13 pm #10727
Getting testy. Are we? It’s just that you always come on so strong that people get pissed at you. Just like the Don’t tell me to get off my soap box Tex. And the “You aren’t the moderator. ” I call that the X generation attitude. Most people my age would have let my comment go. It’s called maturity. Off the board and face to face. Some people wouldn’t take that very well. It must be nice to be perfect in everything we do. I do applaud you for all the gold. I’m serious. I got wrote up and had to go to Captains mast for trying to help a shipmate from getting into trouble. It backfired on me. I was trying to do what was right. The 3rd class didn’t see it that way. My name isn’t Tex. My board name is bigrig. If you can’t be civil. You shouldn’t go there. I didn’t with you. Nor will I. And, I apologize for calling you an ass bite. I shouldn’t have gone there myself. I didn’t show any maturity by going there. I’m not from Texas. I am just residing there until my wife retires from T.I. . Now see what assuming something gets you. It makes you look like a fool. We have only been here 4 years. Look back in the archives and see where I’ve been posting from going back more than 4 years. If you read my previous posts. Instead of wanting to get testy. You would see that I’m talking from my own experiences. But, I’m not being as radical in my opinion as you were. Like you said there are a bunch of slobs that do use them irresponsibly. My estimation is higher than yours. I think that for every one person that uses them the correct way. There are probably 30 that don’t. You’ve probably read what I already posted about some of my experiences with them. There was one time when we were bow hunting. These fools rode by us three times as we were just getting into bow range of some deer. And, scared off the deer. Then we had to start our stalk all over again. That didn’t make me want them to be out lawed. It just made us want to knock them off them things and take the keys away from them.December 25, 2013 at 9:50 am #10759
Apology accepted for calling me assbite. That set me off since considered it a personal attack. Note that I didn’t single any particular individual out with name calling. I called a general line of B.S. that ATV riders spout “liar” but not any one individual. I’ll now apologize for calling you Tex. And for your basic info, I’m not part of generation X. I was born in 1963 which make me a member of the Baby Boomers. I’m also not a great big guy. 5’9″ and 180 but I work out and run 5 miles a day at the age of 50.
And I still stand by my stance of outlawing them during hunting season. Since people abuse them, and you admit this is a problem, then outlawing them during the season sounds reasonable to me. I remember many years ago when idiots with jeeps tore the hell out of the high country. the U.S. Forest Service responded by closing down thousands of roads and trails to motor vehicles. Jeepers wouldn’t police their own ranks so they got shut down.
Since ATV riders insist on using the damn thing irresponsibly, something drastic needs to be done. Nobody has the right to interrupt your hunt or mine because they are too lazy to walk and pack game. You’re right I come on strong. It is because I have a lot of passion for the hunt and I see technology destroying that. Accept it or hate it, I am what I am and nobody is going to change me and I’m not looking for anyone’s approval. They are more than welcome to disagree. It’s a free country, for now anyways.
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