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October 5, 2013 at 1:44 pm #5662
I have been running my game cams since August.I have three questions. 1st one. I have noticed that Im getting more day time pics than last year at this time.Have you? 2nd if so why do you think that is? 3rd question is could some one explain how to put pics up for other people to enjoy.October 5, 2013 at 8:20 pm #5694
Ed, as for question #3, read the directions I gave TGJ in the “Who’s still here” thread. As far as I know the site hasn’t opened the option to browse yer own puter yet as they’re trying to work out the kinks of the new site roll out.
As to questions # 1 and 2… Weather. Bare in mind the concept of photoperiodism, or more simply stated, the daylight to darkness ratio. Many, if not all plants and animals are effected by photoperiodism, it’s a triggering phenomena.
As to whitetails, and photoperidism there are things it triggers such as increased testosterone levels in bucks, and a shed of Summer hair, to winter growth in all whitetails.
So to sum up what I’m saying in regard to daylight tcam pics this year, it’s been a much cooler Fall this year. The hides of the whitetails are changing. Imagine wearing your best cold weather gear on a warm Fall day. How active are going to be able to be if you do so?
I’ll make a bet with you that if your doing your scouting, your also finding a lot more ground scrapes this year as well. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there are more bucks this year, it just means that their being more active in the cooler weather.October 6, 2013 at 8:09 am #5712
Lunkerdog. I agree. I had to look up the definition of photoperiodism. I never stop learning ha ha. I have been hunting since the mid 70s. I have gone through different phases in regaurd to ideas wich may be considered fact or therory. A long time ago I read a book called the fishermans secrert. The auther said in the book. How could it be that it is secret if I publish this book for all to read. His answer was this. When it comes to fishing there are maney different factors that can influence catching A fish and catching many fish such as light, water clearity, bait the list goes on. The reason it will remain a secret is that most fisherman will not have the perseverance to take all the factoers into account and leave out certin factors that could benefit them
Sorry for rambling Im in a newer phase and I am tring to put togeather the same idea with hunting. I have been putting in food plots for about six years. Trying to put togeather what deer eat naturaly and what I plant that they need or like. I have also been documenting the effects of weather. temp, hunting pressure, and the effects of light that influence deer behavior based on what people are seeing or what the trail cams are showing
In regaurds to light. My new kick is the effect of the moon phases and the amount of light that is produced or dimminished. I have been trying to put it all together. That was one of my motivations as to why I asked how to put pics up. My hope was to get insight from other outdoors enthusiests experiences.
Do you think that the moon plays a predictable factor in deer behavior. Any thoughts of what I am thinking would be helpfull.October 6, 2013 at 10:11 am #5724
Ed, first let me be clear and say by no means am I an expert on the effects of the Moon on whitetails. That said, these days I concentrate more on the effects of the weather on whitetails than any other factor. On a cloudy night there is no more Moon light during a Full Moon than during a New Moon. If there are any other effects of the Moon other than light I have no clue what they are.
As to food plots, as a result of my work since 2010 I’ve lost control of mine. I can’t keep them mowed when it’s raining, and if it’s not raining I’m usually working, no matter what day of the week it is during the Summer.
I didn’t start running tcams until 2009. I’ve been getting a lot less pics since letting the food plots go, but don’t believe that letting the plots go is entirely the reason. In 2009 my area was an Intensive Harvest zone, now it’s a Hunters Choice zone, so the overall Whitetail population is down.
In a related note, the # of wolf pics I’ve been getting, as well as wolf sightings, and wolf sign found has declined along with the Whitetail population. I believe the decline in the Whitetail population was also a factor that led the wolves to come after my dogs twice that I know of in 2011. The first time I was home, and awake, and was able to run the wolves off. The second time happened in the middle of the night, that’s when they killed my old dog.
Getting back to the weather I’ll say that it’s the #1 factor that determines my actions on any given day of Whitetail hunting. For example here at home today it’s a dreary wet day with low wind speeds, if I were a bow hunter I’d be sitting on a scrape trail all day, if I could. This is a perfect day of Phase #2 the territorial phase of the rut(Triggered by photoperiodism) for bucks to be establishing their territories. If it were a hot sunny day I would only hunt the morning, and evening in a stand over a staging, or feeding area, or maybe a scrape trail(if it were later in October scrape trails would be a priority) at this time of year. I’m pretty sure that your weather documentation will show you that your getting more daytime pics on days like today, than on warm sunny days, tho wind speeds will also be a factor in that.October 6, 2013 at 1:19 pm #5743
lunkerdog, I work 12 hour days. 6 days one week and on the second week I only work 2 days. I also have kids of my own and foster kids so my time to hunt and fish can be limeted sometimes. My wife would always get frustrated because I didnt like to hunt in the middle of the day. She works out of our home and looks out over a park. She says she sees deer mid day alot. Because time can be limited and during the school year. It helps if I can be there to get them off to school or be there when they get home. I guess it must have been at about this time I came across some therories of were the idea of useing the moon phase came from.
No arguing weather is key, yet the most memorable bucks that I have taken or was with some one that has, made me wonder was it luck ,yea some or was there something I was missing. Five things stuck out. The temp was below 40 deg.F with all four wall hangers that I am thinking of. The wind was always in our favor. They all were within eye sight or could hear appoaching vehicals, trucks. ATVs or boats. and three were taken between 10 am and 2:30 pm wich happened to be with in a 50 min window on either side of a predicted moon rise or moon set. the forth was taken by a friend years ago before I started thinking to much. But I do remember it was mid day and sunny. The last thing that stuck out was that they were all by a preferd food source like acorns beans corn or one of our food plots.
With your comment about the wolf. I have a thought. In the mid 80s I was stationed in southern California. (USMC) I hunted Black tail for three years Around the cleavland National forest. During this time they had a mountain lion problem. There had been a child that had been taken by one right infront of the mother. The child survived and the story has been told in Outdoor Life. There had been so many lion encounters that they for a time stopped hourse back rideing and allowed hikeing in groups only. The fish and game that I talked to back then said because humans were moving in to thier area it was going to happen. More interestingly he said that because of the drought, the deer and other animals were moving into residential and camping areas He said the mountain lions were just following the food source. MY question is this. Do you think inregaurds to a preveous question on hunting wolves should I hunt the largest congragation of the wolfs food source to find the wolfOctober 6, 2013 at 4:05 pm #5747
It’s been my observation that the deer in my area yard up around the 1st of the year. That’s why I mentioned the yards if you hunt in January. It’s by no means a guarantee, but finding the deer will increase your odds late in the second season.
Before January the deer are still spread out threw the forests in there home territorial ranges. At that time it’s better to have some idea of the wolves territorial range.
In my home area we typically have two Winter packs, one ranges North and West of us, the other South, and East. Three times over the last 15 years I’ve been out on the property at night and have listened to the packs communicate with each other as they howled out their territories too each other. It is just as awesome each time I’ve heard them. Like the whitetails, the wolves territories remain somewhat traditional over the years, tho the dominant animals change over time. That’s not to say that the boundary lines don’t shift over time as pack sizes change, but the general territories seem to remain fairly constant.
That’s typical Wintertime wolf activity around here, Summer activity is different. From what I’ve seen it seems that the breeding pair runs last years pups off in the Spring when breeding starts, and the new pups are on the way. They won’t pack up again until the following Winter.
The three wolves that the Federal trapper caught around here in 2011 after they killed my dog were all three yearlings. Two males, and a female. Based on tcam evidence between myself, and my part time neighbor, one male was running alone, and the other male, and the female were running together. Again, based on tcam evidence we’re 99% sure that it was the pair that killed my dog.
So I guess that the answer to your question is both yes, and no. I’m not sure that being around deer will give you much of an advantage early in the late season, but do believe that it will increase your odds late in the late season.
Back to the Moon Phase. I’ve read articles where it was said that there is increased mid-day deer movement on days when deer are able to feed by the Moonlight the night before. Tho during the primary breeding phase of the rut it doesn’t surprise me to see bucks at anytime of day.October 8, 2013 at 7:33 pm #5899
Good info on the wolves. there are two areas that I plan on targeting. The more info im getting is helping put together a plan. January is looking promising in both spots one is further away but is alot deeper in the forest. It also has minimum human activity. The other is closer to me but is harder to get to and can be more hazardous.
It sounded famileir when you said you felt that it was a female and the male that killed your dog.The person I was talking about who had lost his spanial lost other dogs too, of wich the wolves were trapped. He lost a lab to if I remember.He was there when it happend. He told me that a female wolf acted almost playfull and lured the lab out to the field behind his house as he was trying to get his rifle his dog was killed by the male wolf. The male had been laying in wait and when the female lured his dog out far enough the male stood and the dog was between them he said it was over in seconds. A sad and scary story.November 6, 2013 at 9:35 am #8502
Not bad for a northern MN food plot. First sightings of turkeys here.
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