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December 30, 2013 at 9:40 am #10888
Just bought a RudderBows Archery hickory longbow, 40-45# draw. This thing is massive, I’m 6’2″ and it’s as tall as me! lol
So, anyone have any recommendations for what I’ll need to target/hunt with it? I want a trigger release, so it’s getting a D loop. It probably could use a better string, seems a lil thick. What can I do to silence it better? And I’m definitely getting an armguard too!December 30, 2013 at 3:45 pm #10915
I have never heard of someone putting a D loop on a longbow or using a trigger release for that matter .You would really want a finger tab or a glove as your release aid . you would want to get some carbon arrows say gold tip 3555′s meaning the arrow is rated to be shot from a bow that is set between 35lbs and 55lbs so they would be perfect for your setup. So your bow is set up to be 45lbs at what draw length 28″ ? since your 6′ 2″ your draw length is probably 29″ or better so you might stack the bow at 50lbs or more . you could possibly want a heavier lb bow once you get the feel for this one. An arm guard will be handy !!! your going to feel more hand shock than you would with a recurve bow. should be fun!December 31, 2013 at 10:52 am #10974
The reason I want the D loop and trigger release is for string roll. I can feel it spinning in my fingers when just playing with the bow pulling it back, getting a feel for the difference of it and previous compound bows. Like I said, maybe I just need a different string. I need to go to my local bow shop and see what they may say about it, hopefully someone there is a Traditional shooter…January 8, 2014 at 4:35 pm #11331
Thats Just Not right!! From what I have read and I don’t say this to knock you, but to help you, you really need some guidance. I beg you to find someone knowledgeable by finding a Traditional club in your area and if you want I can send you a PM of the ones in your state. tradgang.com (they will also know where some clubs are)is a excellent forum for info. 3 River and Kustom King are the two major suppliers. I have delt with both mostly 3 Rivers and they will talk to you if you call. Get some books by Byran Ferguson, Fred Asbell and others and read them. Please don’t learn bad habits if all possible. Most of the bow shops in your area cater mostly to compounds and won’t be much good. All the stuff you have read or read in most bow mags FORGET IT. The magazine you need to read now is Traditional Archery and/or Primitive Archer. These are not compounds and must be shot differently. This can be a fun endeavor or a school of hard knocks (no pun intended LOL)
You need either a tab or glove. The string should be held with index,middle and ring fingers in the first groove where they bend with fingers bent almost at a 90 degree. You can put arrow between finger”split fingers, all three below arrow, all three above, however is comfortable. Make sure you have a nock on string. You can use 2 nocks one above and one below where arrow nocks on string this will prevent arrow from slipping on string (use your bow square) . Some bows shoot better with a high nock point some a little low, its a experimental thing.
I also hope you have a bow that is about at least 10-15 lbs lighter than your compound. I shoot a 60 lb compound with no prob, but do a lot better with 45 -50 lbs recurve and longbow. My fav is 68″ 37 lbs recurve but its not legal for deer. I really want you to enjoy it as it is so much more fun than compounds in my mind and I use them all (compound, crossbow, recurve and longbow ) but only hunt with compound and crossbow. It is my goal for next year to get a deer with a recurve or longbow. Wheww I can rant!!!January 9, 2014 at 7:53 am #11349
You may be right, I’m not arguing with any of what you said. But it makes all the sense in the world to me that I would want to prevent string roll by using the D loop and trigger release. The bow’s weight is 40lbs @ 28″, 45lbs @ 30″, with a 2-3lb stack after every 1/2″ past. I have about a 31″ draw, so it is a little stretch for me. And the 40-50lbs I pull with this longbow feels like 60+ on a compound! They are different, you’re right about that.
I’ve shot with gloves and tabs before as well. So I’m pretty solid in that area. Haven’t even bought arrows yet so I’m taking it slow. Gonna practice all spring/summer to be as proficient as possible come deer season.
Bottom line, this bow will be used to kill whitetail deer! I want true and straight arrow flight, no string roll, accuracy, and speed. There are no Trad clubs in my area to my knowledge and I don’t read often. I’d rather learn from mistakes and make my own path than do what someone else did. Everyone is different, am I wrong saying that???January 9, 2014 at 5:04 pm #11518
Well can’t say that I’ve ever heard of that set-up for a traditional . You didn’t mention the rest though , with a release you “must” have a rest that counters the up and down flex of the shaft . With fingers the shaft flexes left and right due to the roll as the string comes off the fingers . A regular type rest for that bow will probably get torn off as the fletching end smacks it . Or wear and tear on it with tuning issues also . Just sayen .January 10, 2014 at 3:43 am #11524
If that is what you want to do , more power to you and I hope you all the best. if you don’t do any reading how are you going to get it right? You have to learn from what has been tried and failed. I just would prefer to not do things that have already been proven to not work. I still think you are thinking and treating this as a compound. String roll is part of the shooting process and shouldn’t be that much if bow is being drawn properly.January 14, 2014 at 7:50 am #11706
The bow already has a rest notched into the wood itself. But I may get a feather rest, or glue down some deer hide, there are several avenues to go down. Or I may just leave it alone.
I’ve called and emailed the Manufacturer, Rudder Bows, they themselves said they see no problem using a trigger release and D loop on their own equipment. I’m trying to mesh traditional style and skill with modern conveniences. It’s just a freakin release and D loop, relax dude! Just because I have a wooden longbow doesn’t mean I need to parade through the woods in tights like Robinhood. I don’t NEED a leather glove or finger tab to properly and ACCURATELY shoot this bow-those were Rudder’s exact words, in fact!
Crabby old men that can’t evolve irritate me!January 15, 2014 at 1:38 am #11731
I know that you can use a release on a longbow/recurve, its just most people want to go back to them to get rid of all the more modern stuff. What’s make me crabby is when people ask for help, and then they say well I don’t read, I don’t this and I don’t do that, I just want to learn the hard way, why ask for help? I want you to succeed. Learn from others success and failures.January 15, 2014 at 3:05 pm #11773
“Just bought a RudderBows Archery hickory longbow, 40-45# draw. This thing is massive, I’m 6’2″ and it’s as tall as me! lol
So, anyone have any recommendations for what I’ll need to target/hunt with it? I want a trigger release, so it’s getting a D loop. It probably could use a better string, seems a lil thick. What can I do to silence it better? And I’m definitely getting an armguard too!”
You essentially said I can’t use a release, D loop, gave no reply about different string like I asked, mentioned nothing about help to silence it either.
What you did do, was tell me I needed to do all these other things I didn’t ask about and tell me the way I was going about this was all wrong. I’ve since spoken to my manufacturer, Rudder Bows, and they see nothing wrong with using the afore mentioned items. In fact, they recommend it for someone that’s not 100% comfortable with a longbow.January 15, 2014 at 4:45 pm #11776
I deeply apologize if I came across that way. You asked for recommendations. I think of longbow/recurve as totally different beast from compounds when it come to archery. Like comparing a buggy to a car. Same concept, different methods. While you was talking to Rudder bow what string and brace height recommendation did they give you? The 3 most used strings I know of is basically a Flemish,Endless and Looped. Can you use a fast flight string? It will give you more fps but can destroy a bow not able to handle it as far as I have know. As far as I can tell and all the flemish strings I have made, the thickness is dependent on the weight of the bow thereby how many strands. I use Dacron as it is the safest for all bows and Fastflight has to be on a bow designed for it. Comparing compound vs longbow/recurve strings I have never made a compound string, but do know most are thinner so I am not sure of the material for them. Most longbow and recurves I have seen the thickness of the string if correct doesn’t seem to be a major issue, you are only going to gain or lose a few FPS. I tried to steer you towards the people that are more knowledgeable with these bows and can and will answer your questions (and most of it is free), as most “Pro-Shops” are geared toward compounds and staff have probably never shot one as has been in my experience. As for string noise the correct arrow spline is going to be critical for this. I have seen bows with no silencer that were amazingly quiet, due to correct arrow.Is your Rudderbow true center shot? If not there is going to be some paradox in the arrows you have to think about and that is a experimental thing that only you shooting the bow will determine. I RECOMMEND feathers on your arrows as they bend or flex when contacting the shelf. Good arrows on a cheap bow is a lot better than vice versa so try to get the correct ones. Actual string silencers I have seen a lot of thing work, such as strips of fur on hide (like mink) “rubber spiders”,and others. Whatever you put on is loss of fps, however minor. I RECOMMEND you worry about accuracy more than speed although speed is nice.
Rudder Bow looks like they have some really nice bows, and there is a couple i really like and may order one if I could get to handle one. I would to know how bad hand shock is on them. I wish you all the best of luck hope you do well in the woods.. Let us know, and again I apologize. Aim small miss small.
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