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November 12, 2013 at 5:22 pm #8913
Pennsylvania bill would require schools to display ‘In God We Trust’ mottoNovember 12, 2013 at 6:30 pm #8920
BUT who’s god .The government is not promoting any one religion.
Well here I am .November 13, 2013 at 9:42 am #8934
excellent question JOE! our government actively tries to condemn christianity while it pushes islam as the religion of piece, wich it is, in the sense that if you disagree the crazy phuckers will cut you into pieces. I would add that it is much better to actually trust in GOD instead of just saying you do.November 13, 2013 at 11:58 am #8940
Holly (Joe), that was the intent of the founders, God or Creator each person can envoke his own image of his own God in his own way. Each person can believe his or her God is the true God and everybody else is full of it. But each religions God has certain vertues, morals that by and in large are good for the public well being, there are unalieinable, facts or truths that are helded by all and transcend any one Religion. The men of Government were not realy meant to or expected to be Godless. They could worship as they saw fit, the God of their choice and exercise their beliefs in that god. But as far as matters of public issues had to keep in mind that the Governent under our Constitution and the Constitution does not and can not recognize or favor just one Religion or God, Deity , Creator, but takes into account and recognizes all religions and beliefs as being equal, and with equal input on any subject or issue of public interest even if it is no god at all. What many fail to see is our Government can not even say there is No God , Any more than it can say the Christiain God is the one true God , it was desiged to take no side, have no favor, allowing each individual his or own beliefs without the appearance of coertion toward one or another precieved favored Religion by the GovernmentNovember 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm #8944
that’s all well and good in theory but lets face it this gov has never and will never recognize all religions as being equal
hey ckell have you got onto the my fellowhunter website yet? this forum is just to messed up to waste time on anymore. keeps sending me to blank pages and forcing me to log in again. been having trouble this whole year and since they “fixed the site”, it just continues to get worse. only reason I even come here anymore is to bitch to webby till they boot me.November 13, 2013 at 12:56 pm #8950
Yes it is a theory, as the founders called it an ‘experiment”. That has worked for 236 years. As I believe Adams said something like this “ this is not a Christian Nation but a Nation with many Christian inhibitaints. It is easy to agree when most all have the same Faith, the true test of our Experament , of our Constitution will be when that is no longer so”. They knew and believed many other Faiths and Religions would come to America, because of the Religious freedoms America had and offered, and they knew they could and would clash, but the Constitution could and would minimize such clashes, as long as the Government remained neutral in the personnel affairs of man.
I havn’t been to the myfellowhunter site in a while, it had seemed so dead over there. This site has slowed down a bunch but you can get a reply on or about a post from others in less than a week or more.November 13, 2013 at 9:40 pm #8972
Yes Ckell it say the government can not instill one religion over another .But it just seems that this person in the whitehouse is pushing one religion on us .
Well here I am .November 14, 2013 at 12:19 pm #8990
Joe I could not agree with you more, he has his agenda. The question is do two wrongs make a right. It does not say any where in the Constitution the Phrase Separation of Church and State or a wall between the two. But if you read the letters and debates of the founders as well as many debates over the subject over the history of the country that is a repeated phrase often used by both sides in debates. Jefferson who was is France at the time the Constitution was written, But did write the Declaration of Independence, to which He purposely did not mention a Christian God, but a divine Creator, or Providence, or Divine Providence and His Virginia laws, Constitution, all this was debated while the Constitution was written. All men believe in some sort of Creator, or Divine Providence, but not all believe in the Christian Form of Religion. Some of the Founders themselves did not believe, Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that is not saying they where not religious and Jesus was not a Prophet of God, it just says they where not by definition, Christians. Religion has played a role in the affaires of man since the dawn of man, but when one Religion dominated in the Government, Persecution of the other Religions always occurred. The Founders knew and understood this and wanted to avoid it as much as they could in their Great New Experiment of a new form of Government. They knew the Men of Government could not be devoid of Religion, thus by nature Government could never really be devoid of Religion, but they could mitigate the effects. So the Establishment Clause, as individuals can practice and express what ever they choose, but the Government can not, it can not take sides, it can not Recognize one over the other. Then as Now there were calls for the Country, and in the Constitution this Country to in differing ways, be declared a Christian Country or Nation., Thus the Establishment Clause, this is not a new debate. Even then the argument that the Country could not last if it were not declared a Christian Nation with Christian values it could not last, yet 236 years later it does proves the point. The Founders belief in promotion, protection, defense of the Individual rights of freedom of Exercise and practice, of individual religion, while as much as possible keeping the Government neutral has worked for 236 years. We can say as Individuals the Muslim/Islamic Religion is a Religion that kills nonbelievers. The Government cannot, it can be aware of that, and prosecute the Individuals who do so. But it cannot prohibit or abolish the Religion its self. And it can not be seen as take one side of the other, as so many Christians want to see, and believe it may actually taking the side of the Muslims. As said and understood at the time the Constitution was written, it is easy to agree when most of the Country is of one Religion, the test will be when that is no longer so, and those of differing Religion question the validity of laws and such that seem or appear to favor one Religion over another, or a or any Religion over no Religion in the making of laws. Which brings up the 2nd Amendment, the right to defend ones self against anyone or thing that threatens the Exercises of the 1<sup>st</sup>.November 14, 2013 at 6:44 pm #9002
Sorry about that got dropped and could not get back on for awhile, don’t guess it matters much any way as I am spitting into the wind here. The Constitution was ment to protect the Individuals rights to freedom of Religion, practice, expression and exercise, no matter what if anyat all it may be. For most of American History most individuals in the country where Christian and other Religions where more or less allowed to practice. The Government was hardly ever ask to intervene for the most part, and few of the other Religions Really Complained that The Government seemed to Favor if not indorse the Christian Religion. The 1st Amendment has never really been tested on behave of other Religions as much, until maybe now more than any other time in History. Yes there are those who wish to take away our Individual rights and we must stand up and defend againest that, with all we have, but not while at the same time we are calling for other Religions and Individuals rights to be supressed or taken away in any form, based strictly on our own Individual Religious beliefs.
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