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November 6, 2013 at 10:17 am #8511
You can buy a new rifle that will shoot MOA for well under $600.00 from a couple of American makers. Also remember that Steven’s firearms are owned and made by Savage with most models being essentially entry level Savage’s. You can buy a New Savage with scope package for under $600.00 and you can find them in Pawn Shops for well under that price. Another great buy is one of the many surplus Mauser’s that can be bought for under $200.00 and are chambered in 8MM and shoot 196gr bullets very accurate. Many ammo makers offer these 8MM rounds in hunting rounds and they are well suited for all North American game animals to include bears. Checkout here http://www.mausers.org for the last of the really great Mauser’s available today and once these are all gone there will be no more of this quality outside of buying a new Mauser. I bought when they still sold them a barreled receiver from these folks which was chambered in 8MM and then built a nice long range .300 Win Mag out of it that has been appraised at $1800.00-$2,000.00 by more than one gunsmith and my total cost when finished was $852.00 dollars and that includes the machine work and a nice full one inch SS fluted barrel.November 6, 2013 at 10:31 am #8515
I have one I bought New in 1975 and it was $250.00, chambered in .264 win mag, Never a problem like described in all the BS floating around, I get on several sites and on one site there is a fella that is a Remington Basher Parezceant, I can’t believe that guy, Ammo, Guns just bout anything Remington, kinda make one want to Puke reading his banging.November 8, 2013 at 6:44 pm #8692
holly….back in ’79 gas was .80 cents a gallon…ha ha…so what you payed for that 700 is about the same today ha ha .just hav’in fun……………i’m not rich nor am i middle class….i’m in the lower end of the pay scale.i keep it real and hunt for my supper.if i can get a budget rifle ready to go at a good price and if i got the money………i’ll get it….it’s a plus when i can shoot it and get the same bullet group as the 700′s my buddies have.they have $800 to$1100 in those rem.700′s and i have less then $400……….in my budget 770……….that’s more then a $400 savings that can go toward 3 months electricity,or 2 and a half months of gas for my truck.i have seen some of those $300 700′s in pawn shops and they don’t look that good i.e…. cracked stocks, missing bolts in butt plate,fogged up scopes………that could be just around here…might be different where you’all live…i believe the 700 is a hellofa good rifle,it can shoot amazing shots……i can’t see paying that .yeah, i’m a cheap b*st#rd.November 8, 2013 at 9:29 pm #8701
Don’t worry sgolisch .My savage only cost me $396.00 And shoots great out of the box .When I bought it it was all I could afford at the time .Never regretted it .So price dose not make the gun .Most of it is how good the person on the end of it is .I’ve seen people with $2000 dollar guns that could not hit the broad side a barn but they did have the best .
Well here I am .November 9, 2013 at 5:37 am #8712
all we can do is our best at whatever we do, good luck and good hunting.November 25, 2013 at 4:20 pm #9465
I have seen this happen twice once on a friends 22-250 who had adjusted the factory trigger to a pull to about 1/2 lb. This rifle discharged when the safety was switched off. The second time was on my 7 mm Mag. That was a case of hunting in a snow very wet snow storm and bringing the rifle into a warm tent with out getting the moisture out of the trigger group before going in to the extreme cold the next morning. When I put my safety on it worked very stiff when I switched it off to fire at an elk it discharged prematurely. After rifle was properly cleaned was never able to reproduce the problem and have used it for 18 years since.November 26, 2013 at 9:32 am #9496
Lets face it many want the best of any thing they get, it’s bragging rights. Many cannot afford it, and must live with what we can get. And many euphuisms come about to make us feel better about it, be guns or what ever. Some still hunt mainly and strictly for food, others for combination of food and a natural instinct to hunt. Others hunt for the horns and bragging rights of the biggest, with no desire or intent to eat the meat. The later being the biggest cause in the expense in every area of hunting. Farmers who once allowed locals to hunt for meat, now are drawn to the money for leasing the land, to the exclusion of those who hunt for meat and can not afford the adsorbent lease cost. We complain about those who get government aid, while ignoring the fact that the natural ability to hunt for food has been taken away from many, by just plain sport hunting. It does not matter what the gun looks like or how much it cost as long as it does the job you want it to do, safely. And any gun is only as safe as the one using it, and most are as accurate as the one using it and with the understanding of how best to make it work it’s best, no matter it’s defaults.
November 26, 2013 at 10:37 am #9499
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This website based business has the Ruger American Rifle for $249.99 so check them out http://www.jgsales.com and they are also having a great sale with some of the lowest prices I have seen in years. They offer both new and used firearms as well as all the accessories to include some great prices on ammo for military surplus firearms.December 1, 2013 at 7:58 am #9756
I just remembered that one time. A friend of mine let a another friend use a 700 30-06 for deer hunting one time. When we climbed out of the truck to do some walking. This rifle went off. He said he didn’t know what happened. We thought at the time he had his finger on the trigger when he closed the bolt. I still think that is what happened. I own this rifle now. And, it hasn’t ever given me any trouble.
I only have 2 guns that I got new. My Colt semiauto 22. And My Benelli Nova. They were both on sale when I got them. Well, Actually. My wife got me the Benelli for Christmas. But, it was on sale. I lied. I bought my 30-338 from my friends mom after his dad died. It is a Interarms Mauser K-98 action. Douglas tapered barrel. Ramline synthetic stock with a Pachmeyer Decelerator pad on the end of it. I had the Mauser trigger taken out. And had a Timney put in it. Adjusted to 2 pounds. I wanted 1 1/2. The gun smith said he would take it to 2. Anyway. His dad never got to fire it. I’ve gotten 3 elk with it. The point I am being long winded about is. I haven’t paid over $400 for any of my guns. I think the most was $350.00. Most of my guns were bought at pawn shops. They all shoot great. What was said about not having to spend a lot of money to get quality. Or, to get what your looking for. IE: to have a gun that will shoot accurately. And that will take the animal you are hunting. Those are the major factors. You really don’t need to spend thousands to get quality.December 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm #9794
This thread has taken a turn, so hopefully I will not get yelled at for turning with it. Bigrig, I respect your opinion and my experience today would certainly bear out what you said above, however I would disagree on the point of what quality is. I agree that you can get lower priced rifles and optics that shoot great groups and will serve well in the field. I helped a friend today site in a Remington Model 701 (I think that is what was stamped on it) that I believe was purchased at Walmart with a Bushnell scope on its back (combo purchase). When he handed it to me the bolt was wobbly and not even close to smooth. The magazine is plastic and if you push up on it when trying to operate the bolt it interferes with the bolt, preventing it from operating properly. The overall look of the gun was cheap and tawdry in my opinion. I figured it was going to be a long day trying to zero the gun because I did not expect it to group worth a darn. Well my friend sits down and start shooting it at the target. The largest group he shot all afternoon was 3/4″ at 100 yards. I was impressed to say the least at the accuracy of the gun with factory ammo (two brands mind you). However, I would not use the word quality to describe that gun.
For me personally, quality has a different definition. Is clearly includes under a MOA shooting capability for a hunting rifle, but for me it also includes a beautiful wood stock, smooth action, crisp breaking trigger (which is why I do not like Glocks), no tool marks on the metel – in short something that looks beautiful hanging on my wall and performs great on the range and in the field. Mind you, I do not begrudge folks for which utility is all that is important, but for me (personal opinion and preference) aesthetics is as important to me as function (not more important – need both).
Again, I do not look down on, or want to in anyway want to appear to be or in fact belittle folks that are happy with the utility rifles that perform well. I own a rifle or two that meet my “requirements” and I own a “utility” rifle. I still regret purchasing that rifle because for me, it does not look good hanging on the wall and it is not a pleasure for me to handle and operate. It shoots great, and has taken its share of antelope and deer, but I still regret the purchase.
jack – sturring the pot – hopefully taken in a good natured way
Still Hoping for Improvement. . .December 15, 2013 at 9:04 am #10355
That Remington 710 is cheaply built from what I understand. I’ve never actually seen or touched one. The majority of my rifles are Remington 700′s. The one I was talking about that went off in that other guy’s hands is a BDL. All the rest are ADL’s. The BDL is glass bedded. They all shoot one hole groups at 100 yards. And I go to the 500 meter range to play with them after I get them zeroed. It’s nice to have beautiful guns. It really is. My problem is that I would always be terrified that I would put a scratch or ding on the thing when I used it out hunting. Most of my hunting takes place on hill sides in southern Az. and in Flagstaff, Az. Lots of places to slip, and lose your footing. I dropped my 303 British years ago on one hunt. While I bounced on my butt down a hill side. Good thing that rifle was built so tough. It never lost it’s zero. It still has the rear sight ears on it. That was my first rifle. My prettiest rifle is the 30-338 Magnum. I guess you could call most of them utility. They were bought for hunting. I wouldn’t hesitate to take 5 or 600 yard shots with any of my guns from my 270 to the 30-338. I would take 4 to 500 yard shots with the 223 or 22-250. I’ve taken coyote at those ranges with both.January 7, 2014 at 12:02 am #11199
Heck I think all of my rifles are purdy, even the utility black ar-15s. However my Rem 700 with wood stock, my 1893 and 1897 Mausers with wood stocks are to my eyes, the best looking. The M77 Hawkeye compact with wood stock is close though.
I paid $299 and change for the Rem 700 bdl in .270 win, with scope rings, sling and soft case. It was used and had a few tiny blemishes on the stock, I added a few more but they only enhance the beauty. The bolt slides as smooth as any I have ever felt on rifles 5x the price and the trigger is crisp with just the right breaking point for me and yes it is a factory trigger.February 18, 2014 at 3:35 pm #12749
what a sham,remington and all the other firearm manufactures make lemons,and remington is no different,so the anti-gun people need to let this go.
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