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October 1, 2013 at 7:53 am #5256
WASHINGTON – Would most people really see a difference in their daily lives if the government shuts down?
Maybe not, judging by various surveys of services that would be affected.
Social Security checks would still be mailed, Medicare and unemployment benefits would keep coming and food stamps would still be issued.
The military would still be up and running, and Congress passed legislation Monday to ensure pay for the military’s 1.4 million active duty personnel, although the Pentagon could furlough 400,000 civilian workers and delay training and contracts.
The mail would still be delivered because the U.S. Postal Service runs on income from stamps and other postal fees.
Federal meat inspections should continue as usual. The FDA would still issue high-risk recalls but might suspend routine safety inspections.
School lunches and breakfasts would still be served.
Air travel would continue as federal air traffic controllers would remain on the job. Security screening should not take much longer, because “the majority of our officers who screen passengers/luggage will remain on the job,” TSA spokesman Ross Feinstein tweeted. Federal inspectors would still enforce safety rules.
Those who leave the country would still be able to get back home, as most U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers are expected to remain on duty.
Embassies and consulates overseas would stay open to provide services to American citizens. The processing of passport and visa applications are paid for by fees, so they would continue. The State Department warns that consular operations abroad would only remain open as long as “there are sufficient fees to support operations.”
Also unaffected would be services for national security and human safety, border security, coastal protection, law enforcement, counter-terrorism efforts, federal prisons and Amtrak service.
The Justice Department would remain almost fully staffed. Federal courts would stay in session.
IRS audit appointments would be canceled, but taxes would still have to be paid.
The National Weather Service would continue forecasting and issuing warnings and the National Hurricane Center would keep tracking storms.
Veterans would still be able to visit hospitals, get mental health counseling and have prescriptions filled at VA health clinics.
National parks, monuments and museums would close, the Census Bureau would stop collecting data, gun permits would be delayed and applications for small business loans would be suspended.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said senior nutrition grants, which provide meals for 2.5 million elderly Americans, would not be funded in a shutdown.
Borrowers and first-time home buyers seeking government-backed mortgages could face delays. The Federal Housing Administration would not underwrite or approve new loans during a shutdown.
Processing of government-backed loans to small businesses would be suspended.
Federal occupational safety and health inspectors would probably suspend workplace inspections, except in situations where danger is imminent.
The Environmental Protection Agency would furlough all but 1,069 of its 16,200 workers. The National Labor Relations Board would send home 1,600 of its 1,611 employees, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission would furlough 652 of its 680 employees.
According to White House numbers, at least 825,000 of the more than two million federal workers would be furloughed.
The government was last shut down in early 1996, and the closure lasted almost four weeks.October 1, 2013 at 9:43 am #5265
Well, I’m home, one of the furloughed. I was able to get a qualified county individual to inspect a construction job that my agency (NRCS) had going. Otherwise, they would have had to shut down the job, affecting both the farmer and the contractor. A shutdown now could very well have put them into cold weather concreting, thereby increasing costs significantly. Plus making it much more difficult to finish the outdoor work that is dependent on the concrete being in place and cured.
Other work that is in the planning stages is on hold. That is just in one of the 67 counties in Pa. I’m sure there others.
Ag is very weather dependent, screwing the pooch and delaying something now can have consequences for years.
DaleOctober 3, 2013 at 6:26 pm #5496
now the media is saying we’re in danger because the intelligence services have been furloughed. does anyone really believe that’s true? it wouldn’t surprise me if they (our noble government)use this “crisis” to manufacture another “terrorist incident” or mass shooting to keep the sheeple in fear though.October 3, 2013 at 7:41 pm #5497
Mind you I have the unpopular position of GOOD! One consequence, my opinion will not change anything, is that the Blackwater National Refuge is closed to hunting. It is a piece of public land that duck stamps etc, fund where we can hunt Sika and whitetail here in Maryland. My friends and I cannot hunt with sharp sticks (bow and arrow) right now and when ML season opens in a couple weeks we will not be able to use the permits were drew for opening day.
Stinks, but minor compared to those who are on furlough it does not compare.
Still Hoping for Improvement. . .October 4, 2013 at 10:12 am #5541
jboshoven, down here there aren’t any sign-ins or designated entrances to the Savannah River Federal WMA, so just how can anyone monitor whether or not hunters are using it? We do have to go online and print out a map of the area that serves as a year long pass for the WMA, but if people planned to hunt the site, they could have gotten the map prior to the shutdown.
As for the shutdown, this is Obama’s childesh, self centered response for not getting what he wants. His refusal to accept cutbacks in Federal spending is the only reason this is happening. I can’t help but wonder if his pals in the Muslim Brotherhood will experience a cut off of their funding?????????????
Also, SC’s Senators and Republican Congressmen have all directed that any pay they receive during the shutdown either be returned or sent to specific charities; but the state’s Democratic Congressmen haven’t made the same overtures. That tells me all I need to know about who is to blame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NRA LM, NAHC LM, Buckmasters LM, Second Amendment Foundation, NAGR, GOA, Palmetto Gun Rights, DU, NWTF, QDMA, Everyday Hunter, My Fellow Hunter, American Sportsmen's Alliance, Deer and Deer Hunting, Hunt Talk, and proud SC redneck Rebel for life.October 4, 2013 at 2:55 pm #5585
Did you see on the news where Scott Walker from WI.told the feds they were not going to shut nothing down in his state .And I wonder if the the person running it there for the feds will have a job in the end as he agreed and nothing got shut down .And ARIZONA is fighting with them .
Well here I am .October 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm #5665
Tom In TENNESSEEParticipant
By law, essential Fed employees stay on job and non-essential are furloughed….Politicians do not wish you to know how well you can get by without the non-essentials ….so tell me again why we need a Dept of Energy, a Dept of Education, a Dept of Trans, an EPA, a FWS, a USFS, a Dept of Agric, etc???? The States all have similar Dept’s…..get the Feds off our backs and let the States handle it!October 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm #6059
A little extreme and over the top..
Lawmakers probe reports of property owners kicked off federal land amid partial shutdown
Republican lawmakers plan to investigate mounting reports that federal officials are kicking families out of their homes and shuttering private businesses because they sit on federal parkland — describing the spectacle as an over-the-top response to the partial government shutdown.
“We are receiving a lot of reports” of businesses being shut down, said Mallory Micetich, spokeswoman for Republicans on the House Natural Resources Committee.
She confirmed the committee is investigating these reports, as part of a widening probe into the National Park Service’s response to the partial government suspension.
Micetich cited as one example a privately run inn along the Blue Ridge Parkway in North Carolina.
The innkeeper tried, unsuccessfully, to repel federal efforts to shut down his business, the Pisgah Inn, last week.
Owner Bruce O’Connell told FoxNews.com on Monday that rangers are still outside his business, blocking the entrance to the parking lot. As of late Monday morning, he said there were three cars and five rangers stationed outside.
“Their message is, ‘sorry, we’re following orders,’” he said, describing it as a “24/7 blockade.”
He said he’s hired a lawyer, and is hoping to seek a temporary restraining order soon in federal court.
O’Connell originally defied a Thursday deadline to shut down. But the disobedience didn’t last long — police showed up Friday to physically block the entrances to the inn, according to The Asheville Citizen-Times.
The Blue Ridge Parkway itself is open, but various properties along it are now closed, including one other privately run inn that apparently closed down without a fight.
O’Connell’s face-off with the feds coincided with a family being forced out of their private home by Lake Mead in Nevada.
According to KTNV in Nevada, Joyce Spencer, 77, and her husband Ralph, 80, were told to leave their home last week because it sits on federal land. The couple reportedly has owned the home since the 1970s, but were given 24 hours to get out last week.
In Philadelphia, NBC 10 reports that the iconic City Tavern restaurant was also told to close, since it sits inside Independence National Historical Park.
Republicans argue these actions, on top of efforts to close off open-air monuments like the WWII Memorial in Washington D.C., constitute an overly aggressive effort to make shutdown-related cuts seem more visible.
“Many of these non-federally funded sites exist throughout the United States and operate with no staff or resources from the National Park Service,” a statement from Republicans on the House Natural Resources Committee said. “This is yet another example of the Obama administration attempting to make the government shutdown as painful as possible and forcing closures of private and nonprofit operators that did not happen during previous government shutdowns.”
In North Carolina, the Citizen-Times reported that a local parks official said he was directed by Washington to block access to the Pisgah Inn.
Micetich said some of these decisions are left up to individual park supervisors, which is why each individual park might be enforcing the rules to varying degrees.
House Natural Resources Committee leaders wrote last week to National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis asking his agency to keep all correspondence pertaining to decisions on what to open and what to close.
Among the issues they’ll examine, they wrote, will be “the staff time and costs associated with the transport, erection, and maintenance of the barriers … [and] the staff time and costs associated with patrolling and securing these sites prior to and during their closureOctober 11, 2013 at 2:22 pm #6121
Well it seems that everyone EXCEPT us disabled Veterans will be getting paid on November the 1st 2013 which is just plain old wrong. Why not stopping the money going to the illegals, the free cellphones, food stamps for illegals, the Senate and Congress, also the non essential WH workers, etc. etc. etc. ????? Could it be the voter base of these recipients of government assistance ? Why is it always the disabled Veterans that always get the ax while all the unnecessary ones manage to not be included ? I don’t get it as we have earned ours and we upheld our end of the contract ( enlistment papers ) we have with the government and the government needs to be held to the same standards of the contract. This is a clear cut case of breach of contract so can we pursue the legal avenue to get what we are owed ? I’m sure that some of that 47% that get food stamps are doing so illegally so why not cut them back to say around 30% and make sure that we disabled Veterans get paid as we were disabled upholding our end of the contract with the government and the benefits that are included as part of that contract should be paid as the contract states clearly that we are to get these benefits. How about they shutdown the free cellphones and stop ALL food stamps and medical benefits that the illegals are getting ? I mean come on now surely they can find some of the many benefits to cut of those who have never served nor lost their health to the ability to work as I would gladly stop my pension and actually get and keep a job if only I was physically able to do so as I know all the other brother disabled Veterans would be willing to do the same. Can the government give us these things back ? NO ! The pay us the money that we EARNED by doing as ordered and by doing so became disabled. This has really made me look even harder at our government who is more than willing to throw us to the wolves while making sure that the ones mentioned get everything they never EARNED. It’s a very sad state of affairs when we are forgotten. With the upcoming election in November WE THE PEOPLE have the chance to make a complete change of those who are currently holding offices in the Senate and Congress. Be sure to vote and help other get registered to vote and then offer them a ride to the polling stations come election day. PLEASE !!!!!October 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm #6141
Tom In TENNESSEEParticipant
Doc, I presume you sent Hairy Reed a thank you note!
BTW, don’t look for more post on this fugged up site from me after today!October 11, 2013 at 6:40 pm #6153
Cruel Twist in Government Shutdown for Navy Yard Shooting SurvivorsOctober 15, 2013 at 6:14 am #6348
Really… Boomer would not do this… Just like when the sequesters came about..!!!
Rollback of cuts fuels claims that government inflated impact of partial shutdownOctober 15, 2013 at 7:15 am #6349
I haven’t been directly impacted as I work for DoD. We are paid from multi-year appropriations so my organization had some money. However, my son, who works for a support contractor for Homeland Security has been out of work and as a contractor, isn’t likely to get back pay and my son-in-law is an auditor for the IRS. He will eventually get paid.October 15, 2013 at 6:10 pm #6407
BUT NO DEATH BENEFITS FOR MILITARY FAMILIES!!! GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT!
Watchdog questions $174G death benefit for millionaire senator’s wifeOctober 15, 2013 at 6:30 pm #6413
Vets rally at WWII memorial for end to ‘devastating’ impact of partial shutdown
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